This Is Not Jewish

saltyseababies:

ce-minune:

saltyseababies:

ce-minune:

this-is-not-jewish:

ce-minune:

I know we were taught to love and 

Look, I get it. Zionism began as a liberation movement of the Jewish people. Jewish self-determination. A “resumption of Jewish sovereignty over the land that was Israel.” I’ve got the history, checked my sources. I’m no idiot, I don’t speak blindly. I’m not the kind of person to do that. I understand that there is evidence for a need for a Jewish state. I am not against that in any way. I don’t hate Jews. I honest to God don’t hate anyone except for the people who can commit atrocities without even thinking twice.

If so, why the original post?

You have completely missed my entire point. I’m not asking you to stop identifying yourself as a Jew. I’m not asking you to leave your culture, your faith, your people, anything. I’m not. This isn’t what I’m about so you need to sit down and leave it at that. 

.This is definitely about me. As an Israeli, as a Zionist, and as a Jew, any post that involves Zionism is about me. Thanks, let’s leave it at that. Besides the fact, you, as a non-Palestinian goy, have absolutely no stake in this conflict whatsoever. 

Please, don’t even for a fucking minute pretend you know me or the extent of my knowledge. Doing so just makes you look stupid. 

I know you’re a non-Palestinian goy

At this point, we can both safely assume that I have no idea who these people are and I could really care less. If someone is coming to me with a message asking me why I can’t ~except nationalism~ and carry on, while Palestinians are being murdered for the sake of this “nationalism” then I think we have a pretty freaking big problem here, don’t you? 

*accept* 

Your problem should be with upholding Palestinian human rights, not making mindless generalizations about a solidarity movement SO incredibly important to SO many Jewish people.

If I’ve offended you and you’re not a racist bigot determined to watch every Palestinian die so you can skip through demolished homes and dead bodies waving your little “nationalism” around, then I’m not sorry. At all. If, on the other hand, you can come to your senses, stop insulting my intelligence, and tell me that you feel ANY compassion towards Palestine and ANY anger towards your country’s government then I do sincerely apologise. Hey, you don’t even have to stop insulting me. That’s fine! So long as we’re both on the same page when it comes to the fact that I will in no way ever, ever apologise for standing up for those who do not have the privilege of having a voice. 

The problem is that you’re not doing that. You’re making statements about a movement that has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. Do you even know how the Israeli electoral system works? Do you know how many seats Likud holds? Do you honestly think that there are no Israelis who are interested in seeing this conflict stop?

My point is that I don’t see zionists (as in, zionists, you know, the kind who support the destruction of an entire NATION OF PEOPLE) as human. Because of the fact that they’re encouraging  genocide. 

No human being would do that. Not anyone. 

~*This is the part where you stop acting like a self righteous asshole to realize that I will know more about this conflict, and have more blood in it than you ever will. So if you even dare and THINK to insinuate that my Zionism has ANYTHING to do with hurting other people, kindly fuck off*~

BOOM.

ce-minune:

this-is-not-jewish:

ce-minune:

I know we were taught to love and respect everyone regardless of their beliefs, who they are, where they’re from, etc. 

But I draw the line at zionist. You’ve been stripped of all your humanity, in my eyes, if you’re a zionist. 

You can be a cuddly old grandpa with a cute lil bowtie selling children cute lil balloon animals and I will still hate you. 

Gee, a Gentile who wants to strip Jews of their humanity for not sharing her beliefs? How terribly original.

All those who have just been stripped of humanity for daring to believe in ourselves as a distinct people, please join me in saluting our new overlord, ce-minune.

OHOHOHOHO

Notice how I said ZIONIST, not Jew. Big difference, you idiot. 

Daring to believe in yourselves as a distinct people? What? You mean as supporters of a genocide? I’m sorry but anyone who believes that it’s okay to murder thousands of innocent people and then justifies it as establishing “democracy” has absolutely no right to call themselves any form of humane whatsoever. 

YOU are the one stripping away the humanity of every single Palestinian citizen. By supporting a nation whose foundation is the blood of innocent men, women, and children. No one in their right mind can do that to another human being without being absolutely desensitized to their cries, to their pain. By making them less than human, by treating them like animals, taking away what was NEVER YOURS TO TAKE AWAY IN THE FIRST PLACE. 

You’ve locked them out of their homes, torn apart their families, destroyed their livelihoods. And you dare call me out for telling you that I cannot view you as a fellow human being? 

Give me a break. 

Once you have to spend your life walking through checkpoint after checkpoint to get to your own house, once your children are spat on by adults on their way to school, once you watch as the home you grew up in is demolished along with the rest of your neighborhood, ONCE YOU HAVE TO ATTEND THE FUNERAL OF YOUR FRIENDS, then we can sit down and have this conversation. 

Nice try though.

“You can give a goyeh a link that will enable her to stop showing her ass, but you can’t make her click it.” ~~Zionist Proverb

Read this, read this…and go ahead and read this as well, just so you stop with the laughable “OMG YOU CALL YOURSELF ZIONIST SO YOU MUST SUPPORT THE ETHNIC CLEANSING OF THE PALESTINIANS” nonsense. Then we can talk.

In the meantime, you may want to re-evaluate your criteria for “having this discussion,” because I highly doubt that you, as a white-passing American convert to Islam (why yes, I did scope your blog), have ever gone through any of that either. Oops.

ce-minune:

I know we were taught to love and respect everyone regardless of their beliefs, who they are, where they’re from, etc. 

But I draw the line at zionist. You’ve been stripped of all your humanity, in my eyes, if you’re a zionist. 

You can be a cuddly old grandpa with a cute lil bowtie selling children cute lil balloon animals and I will still hate you. 

Gee, a Gentile who wants to strip Jews of their humanity for not sharing her beliefs? How terribly original.

All those who have just been stripped of humanity for daring to believe in ourselves as a distinct people, please join me in saluting our new overlord, ce-minune.

thearcanetheory:

schraubd:

Reprinting a status update from David Hirsh, whose Engage organization is simply an indispensable resource for those concerned with anti-Semitism and are looking for an unabashedly progressive and unapologetic approach to combating it:

There is a huge reluctance amongst many antiracist Jews to see antisemitism; to understand it; to oppose it, to defend their fellow Jews, to educate their fellow antiracists. They have lost the ability to sniff antisemitism. They know, without knowing, that to do so puts them outside of the intellectual and political world in which they live. They know, without knowing, that to see, understand, sniff or oppose antisemitism is considered vulgar, selfish, dishonest, dishonourable, disgraceful; It is the end of them being considered progressive, intelligent, antiracist, engaged. The act of knowing is itself punished by exclusion, yet this fact itself does not help them to know.

I’m reminded of a story recounted by Steve Cohen (the British Marxist, not the Tennessee Congressman), who famously described himself as an “anti-Zionist Zionist” (“at least that should confuse the bastards”), about a review of his classic pamphlet “That’s Funny, You Don’t Look Anti-Semitic”. If you click the link and/or read the pamphlet (which you should — it’s one of the most important works of modern anti- anti-Semitism ever written), it is evident immediately that Cohen is a sharp critic of Israel and Zionism — to a far greater degree than I support, and in ways that I ultimately think are incompatible with Jewish and human equality. But despite this I’ve always considered Steve an ally, because it is very clear that he thinks critically about anti-Semitism and is unafraid to call it out and does not shy away from the fact that the existence of anti-Semitism does and should alter what sorts of political programs, tactics, and commitments are permissible. 

Anyway, Cohen publishes his pamphlet, which is quite open in its critique of Zionism in the midst of leveling an equally open critique of anti-Semitism amongst anti-Zionists. And the reviewer acknowledges his critique of Zionism, but dismisses it as hollow because he also criticizes anti-Semitism. The exact words were “It is not enough to trot out platitudes, as he does, about being against Zionism and in support of the Palestinian struggle.”.And so Steve replied:

So I’m not allowed into the club even though I fulfil the entry requirements. I’m not allowed in because I recognise and oppose the existence of anti-Semitism on the Left—and this therefore renders all support for Palestinians a “platitude”. Well it ain’t me who’s here confusing anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism.

I encountered a similar situation a few years ago. I had been writing a lot on another blog about anti-Semitism, and a commenter asked me “no offense, but is there any criticism of Israel that you wouldn’t automatically consider to be anti-Semitic?” And I told her, guess what? Offense taken. First, because caring about anti-Semitism should not give any inference about what positions I take on Israel (much less an unyielding one that cannot tolerate any criticism); second, because I’d spent considerable time documenting and explaining why I thought various things were anti-Semitic, and now I’m told that this some sort of “automatic,” thoughtless, kneejerk expression; and third, because I had (at the time) a searchable blog that made it quite clear that I criticized Israel myself quite regularly. No matter — opposing anti-Semitism itself was enough to render me a suspicious character in her eyes.

There’s a saw about the modern right that it isn’t so much “racist” as it is “anti-anti-racist.” It doesn’t really care one way or the other about racism, but it is very committed to attacking those who attack racism. I feel similarly about much of the left (Jewish and otherwise) with regards to anti-Semitism. It’s not so much that they themselves are anti-Semitic (though some are), but they seem to positively recoil if anyone might think they could be so gauche, so (dare I say) provincial, as to actually fight against anti-Semitism. Combating anti-Semitism is viewed as a dead giveaway for all manner of mendacious positions — an inability to criticize Israel, a desire to see Palestinians dispossessed, silencing of people of color, hatred of cosmopolitanism, outdated tribalism — take your pick. And if, as in Cohen’s case, those charges are manifestly untrue — it still doesn’t matter. The pretension at being progressive is but a platitude.

If I sound too harsh towards the Jews Hirsh is talking about, I don’t mean to be. To be Jewish anywhere in the world (except that one place the existence of which non-Jews are so angry about) is to be ultimately at the mercy of others. Knowing how not to get kicked out of the club is a survival skill, and Jews know that talking too loudly about anti-Semitism (and for some, any talk is too loud) is a quick way to be shown the exit. The instinct they feel to duck is a perfectly sensible one. But as Hirsh says, the knowledge that to remain in the majority’s good graces they have to sing the majority’s praises is a sign of the fundamental inequality they experience. And when they promote the majority’s narrative that combating anti-Semitism is a far greater problem and graver evil than anti-Semitism itself, they do damage to other Jews. They block the emergence of a serious, unflinching, and badly necessary conversation about anti-Semitism, and they contribute to the expulsion of those who labor so hard and so courageously to bring that conversation about in what remains deeply infertile soul.

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antihasbara:

Ooh, I can help you out! A Jewish and democratic state is a democratic republic with Judaism as the state religion. In fact, there is one such country in the world today: Israel. So next time you’re asked this question, don’t get confused—say yes! (Unless you don’t believe Israel exists? But no…that would be bizarre. I’m sure you of all people believe in facts.)

You know something else? Israel is actually one of at least ten religious democracies in the world today! Bangladesh and Malaysia are Islamic and democratic states, Bhutan is a Buddhist and democratic state, and Argentina, Bolivia, Denmark, Greece, Norway, and the United Kingdom are all Christian and democratic states. Isn’t that cool? Come to think of it, though, I’ve never had anyone ask me if I believe in any of those countries. Strange, right? Gee, I wonder why that is…

Update on this post.

Antihasbara edited the original post to replace “the Protocols of the Elders of Zion” with “the First Zionist Congress” , and gave the following lovely non-apology:

It seems sort of pathetic that there is a screenshot going around, but I did want to apologize for this. Sometimes when I get worked up I use fragrant sarcasm and I forget that not only is it often lost in text, but many who did not understand its meaning would take it as fact.

Translation: “I’m sorry if you got offended because you were too stupid to understand me. I don’t believe the Protocols were real, just that it’s totally okay to call groups of actual Jews by that term in order to discredit them.”

“Fragrant” indeed.

hasbaragang:

not even getting into the rest of it, do they seriously think the protocol of the elders of zion is a real thing???

Anti-Zionist logic:

Hundreds of texts+thousands of archaeological findings=fairytales

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion=HISTORICAL FACT

Stick a fork in me; I’m done.

EDIT: The original ask is here. (This-Is-Not-Jewish accepts no liability for any headdesking injuries due to reading the blog description at that link.)

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docloudscomeinpurple:

i-can-show-you-the-devil:

I am torn between wanting to like a fellow anti zionist and wanting to hate a blatant racist. Like Jesus this seems like something you’d see in a PARODY or something.

Why is it so hard for any Republican to be likable.

I am torn between who to hate more: the complete reprobate who posted this cartoon or the person who reblogged it claiming to genuinely not know whether it was better to “like a fellow anti zionist” or “hate a blatant racist”. Really? The OP is clearly just hopeless, out and proud about her ignorance and her contempt for her fellow human beings. This is despicable in and of itself, but adding another layer of “I can’t believe this bullshit” is someone actually coming along and thinking that this could be excusable because it is being done by an anti-Zionist. 

The fact that “anti-Zionists” are so eager to permit even blatant antisemitism in the name of supporting their cause tells me everything I need to know about anti-Zionism.

Everything.

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thearcanetheory:

There is actually very little to the Israel/Palestine issue mess to which the Holocaust is currently relevant or applicable to.

Talking about the post-war trauma of the Jewish people: relevant

Talking about the guilt the Western world had in perpetrating and not stopping mass genocide on an industrial jaw-dropping scale, and how they tried to fob that off in various ways, thus resulting in this bullshit: relevant

Talking about how the West will do anything to get rid of its ethnic minorities including shoving them out of their borders even directly after a mass genocide: relevant.

Talking about the anti-Semitic shit imported into the Arab world pre-, during- and post- war and how that affected Jews in the Middle East: relevant.

Talking about “the Holocaust happened therefore Israel is perfect and can do no wrong”: NOT RELEVANT. (also wrong)

Appropriating Holocaust imagery to launch it against either Jews or Palestinians: NOT RELEVANT (and also really gross and factually incorrect. DON’T.)

Trying to emotionally manipulate the audience in (EITHER) specific political direction: REALLY GROSS AND IRRESPONSIBLE. DON’T.

Talking about the Holocaust when confronted with the horrific shit Israel has done: NOT REMOTELY RELEVANT

The Holocaust happened. It happened over 50 years after the formation of Zionism and Hebrew national self-determinant thought, in it’s various streams. It happened after other genocides and ethnic cleansings. IT HAPPENED.

But it is NOT your political prop to use to beat others over the head with. Not on either of the many sides of this political mess. If you use this horrific event in history as nothing more than an emotional club, you receive my hairiest eyeball. 

THIS MESSAGE IS ALSO RELEVANT FOR MY FELLOW TRIBE MEMBERS.

Yes, our people suffered the Holocaust, alongside others. This does not give you the right to take our history and use it with which to beat your opponents over the head, especially when whipping out the Holocaust instead of addressing actual issues regarding Israel-Palestine. DO NOT TREAT THE HOLOCAUST AS YOUR GET-OUT-OF-JAIL-FREE-CARD. (Which is a different thing altogether than referencing the actual effects of the Holocaust re: the conflict.) If you cannot win your argument without resorting to emotional manipulation and not facts, I strongly advise you to reconsider your argument.

This is a very problematic topic because of the way the Holocaust DID interact with and reverberate along many social axis, especially directly post-war. It’s a complicated topic and ought to be handled with care. Take care that you do not use an emotionally fraught piece of history as an emotional club, rather than the watershed history-altering event/series of events that it actually was. To do so is to reduce the significance of our history, and the history of all who suffered alongside us, and to over-simplify some truly complex, but incredibly important historical and sociological processes.

GENTILES

Recognize the incredible seminal importance of the Holocaust, especially in the context of a long history of the Jews being persecuted for their ethnicity and their religion, and generally being “foreigner” and “not from here.” (Europe especially (but other places as well) has a very long history of telling Jews to “go back to where you came from” and the ever-present “go back to Palestine!!!” In fact, many white gentiles tell us that today - both “get out of Palestine!” *as well as* “go back to Israel!”)

 Understand the incredibly deep trauma the Holocaust has had on the entire Jewish people, and the inter-generational affect of this. Realize this, and LISTEN when a Jewish person is trying to explain this to you, especially when it comes to the cultural milieu and mindset of the modern Diasporic Jew, and Jews in general. Do not call it “the Holocaust card.” That shows us that you aren’t listening when trying to explain the VERY REAL EFFECTS of such an incredibly large genocide that destroyed over 1/3 of our people WORLDWIDE. Not one-third of European Jews; ONE THIRD OF ALL JEWS IN EXISTENCE ON THE PLANET. That’s fucking huge, and it is within living memory. LISTEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR HISTORY AND HOW IT AFFECTS US TODAY. You are free to disagree, but to shut us down wholesale is another thing altogether.

I also highly recommend everyone read these posts.

Rebloggable by request. The link in the post is here.