Oh, I guess this is what I and most of the Jews I know believe. And here I thought we believed that Jews, after two thousand years of brutal and deadly persecution, have a right to self determination in our homeland just as Palestinians have a right to self determination in theirs and that, with effort, we can achieve both.
But thank you to the white Catholic who took it upon himself to explain what millions of Zionist Jews believe to us.
Your homeland? Please tell me how far back you can trace your ancestry to the land of Palestine and why YOU deserve the right to get citizenship to a state that was established through the ethnic cleansing of nearly a million people. I would love to know. Please explain to me why YOUR “self-determination” which is a Eurocentric concept, can come at the expense of the right of return for millions of Palestinian refugees who were forced out of homes they have been living in for centuries. Oh, and let’s not ignore the fact that you are white yourself. You are not “Middle Eastern”.
Yo, Brandon, I’m really happy for you and I’m going to let you finish, but you just posted some of the most laughable bullshit of all time.
You are not Jewish and thus have no right at all to define a multifaceted, exclusively Jewish movement for us (and no, you didn’t have that right back when you were an Israel-supporter, either), especially when you won’t even do your damn homework. Yes, there are militant branches of Zionism—and yes, they suck major racist ass. There are also non-militant, “one state solution,” and even nonstatist/antistatist branches of Zionism, and you need to stop erasing and talking over them. Furthermore, while the political aspect of Zionism did take its cue from European movements, it is intellectually dishonest to paint it as a purely European movement by dismissing or omitting the ongoing Temple-mourning and Israel/Jerusalem emphasis of Judaism dating all the way back to 70 C.E, without which there would be no concept of “Jewish nationality” to form a movement around. This is especially true when you play up the European nationalist influence on Zionism and Israel’s undeniable modern-day racism, but downplay the European nationalist (specifically, Nazi) influence on the Arab nationalist movements that opposed the partition plan and attacked/robbed/expelled Mizrahi Jews—and which still influences Arab dialog about Israel today.
For the record, this is an explanation of Zionism from someone actually qualified to talk about it. Next time you get an ask like this, your white Christian ass needs to defer.
Now, let’s break this fuckery down in detail, shall we?
Zionists believe that all non-Jews are innately antisemitic and the only way Jews will be safe from another Holocaust is if they live in a state that is exclusively their own in which Jews have absolute authority and sovereignty.
If that were true, there would be no Zionists living in the Diaspora. Instead, there are millions. Also, if Zionists believe that living in Israel makes them safe from another Holocaust, why are the right-wing, Revisionist Zionist scumbags in Israel so terrified that Iran having nukes will lead to “a second Holocaust?” If you’re going to make shit up, at least try to make it plausible.
They have absolutely no desire to live in equality with non-Jews in the state. It is not only militant and fascist, but is fundamentally an ethnic supremacist ideology.
Given that Jews living in Arab states (remember them?) as well as those in European states have been treated like absolute shit for centuries, I can’t imagine why they might be hesitant to live under a Gentile majority again.
Not wanting to be an oppressed minority anymore is separatist ideology, not supremacist, and Jews are hardly alone in starting a separatist movement in response to oppression. We can certainly debate whether separatism is a legitimate or helpful response to ethnic oppression (and by “we,” I don’t mean you, Mr. White Christian Male), but the fact that Diasporan Jews were and are an oppressed group, not a privileged one, is not up for discussion. And on that note…
Oh, and let’s not ignore the fact that you are white yourself. You are not “Middle Eastern”.
Whoa there, sonny. You are correct that Ashkenazim are not “Middle Eastern” (to say otherwise is to erase Mizrahim), but we are not a European people.
Yes, most Ashkenazim are noticeably lighter than their ancestors. You may also notice that many blacks and Natives in America are significantly lighter than their ancestors. This isn’t the result of magic, it’s the result of rapes and forced assimilation. The reason Ashkenazi Jewish culture is so diluted and Europeanized is because the vast majority of our Semitic culture was systematically stripped from us over centuries by white Christians and because we tried to “fit in” to avoid being fucking murdered. And in spite of all this, Europeans reviled, persecuted, and murdered us because we were Semitic. (There’s a reason the Germans chose the term “antisemitismus” for their hatred. and it’s not because they saw us as white Europeans.) In spite of all this, when Europeans picture an Ashkenazi Jew, they think of “swarthy” skin, dark eyes, large “hook” noses, and tightly curled dark hair—all of which are Semitic traits, not European.
Ashkenazim have been persecuted by white Christians (like you) for millennia for being too Semitic, and now that we dare to embrace our Semitic roots, you tell us we’re just white? No. Sit your privileged, antisemitic ass down, kiddo.
Finally, while I’ve got your attention, you also need to stop erasing the existence of Mizrahi Jews (not “Arab Jews,” as I saw you claim in another post), both those who have lived in Israel itself for millennia and those who were treated like shit in—and ultimately booted from—Arab countries for not being “Middle Eastern” enough. Their experiences are not just a talking point for you to White Savior over when it suits you and for you to ignore as inconvenient whenever Jewish roots and rights in the Middle East come up for discussion. They can speak for themselves—and if you really care about them, you’ll shut up for two seconds and listen.
You are neither Arab nor Jewish, let alone Palestinian or Israeli. You are a white Christian. You have privilege over every single person with actual skin in this game. It’s high time you owned that and stopped talking over us, regardless of which side we are on (no, I haven’t forgotten that back when you were busy appropriating Zionism, you spoke over Arabs, too). White Gentiles got Israel and Palestine into this mess to begin with—the last thing anyone in those countries need is another White Savior.
I award your latest round of casual antisemitism and privilege one star: